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Wasting Energy, Killing Independence

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Brother Bob, I sure go with that last sentence!! Also - Wouldn't it be wonderful if all that water in Ohio could be "converted" right now!!!!?
As long as the energy could be stored or used beneficially, yes it would be great to be able to utilize it.
Hydrolysis is impractical because the energy required to break the bond between hydrogen and oxygen is greater than the energy produced by re-uniting them. This does not consider the problems involved in storing and transporting oxygen and hydrogen.

Keep the scope and scale of the problem in mind. Gasoline consumption is reported in millions of barrels. Multiply that by 40 to see how many gallons are involved. Multiply that by 160,000 to see how many BTU are involved.

Alcohol, hydrogen and other so called alternative fuels have a much lower energy density than gasoline. It takes more of them to go the same distance.

In any case, we are not going to defund Islam by substitution. Any petroleum we don't purchase will be taken up by the growing economies of China & India.

In the short term, there are no solutions. In the mid term, the solution involves increased domestic production and refining capacity. That involves lead time. Had we commenced developing in ANWAR and off shore 20 years ago, we might not be in this bind now. We did not, and we will not, because our elected leaders are anal orfices.
Meyers managed to do the water for fuel thing all the way back in the 70's, other inventors are currently using the same tech in the Philipines and Australia. Their systems don't require storing compressed gases, but break the water molecule down as the fuel is needed. Something to do with frequencies of the electricity makes it work much more efficiently. Also, HHO burns at 6 times the expansion rate of fossil fuels.
If we get off of imported oil, at least we can say we did not fund our own demise and would likely give us a little breathing room to get Islam under control.
The elected orafices proved themselves again this past week by defeating legislation that would have allowed our oil companies to drill offshore between 50-150 miles (way beyond the horizon) as China is drilling 60 miles from our shores!
The last thing America needs is to try and convert its dwindling water supplies into fuel.
Yeah, well we truck gasoline and diesel all over the country but seawater wouldn't be worth the effort because its free? Or the fact that the water turns back into pure clean water after being burned hasn't dawned on you? Putting more moisture into the air from land masses would be a good thing wouldn't it? for more rain in otherwise desert areas.
The water cycle is much more complex than "water vapor goes up and comes down as rain". Drainage basins and all of that stuff means that transporting water from one region to another can reduce that first region's water supply, and accordingly disurpt i.e. destroy the local environment. Plus wrecking the water tables in the desert is not necessarily a good idea, and it may fail. That water could be trucked in and just seep away to nowhere good, the same way water diverted to dry crappy states now just withers away to nothing.
Why do you assume we are transporting fresh water? We have salt water on all four sides of the nation and the biggest part of the population is on the seaboards. Traffic through the midsection would have no difficulty with water supplies if the Western seaboard is filling the air with moisture. But at 22 gallons for 3K miles in a light vehicle, its not likely to change all that much. HHO has six times the expansion rate in combustion as fossil fuels so requires much less volume. You assume anything we do will destroy the environment. I've got news for you. That attitude is creating a worse environment. That's why we are burying all that usable waste. That's why we are not building nuclear which the very green French are already relying on. That's why we are not exploring many credible alternatives. The fresh water smelt might be endangered!!!
Oh yeah, and we are turning under more wild land to farm corn for ethanol thanks to subsidies and driving up the cost of food. No loss to the environment that.
YEAH! I just posted a comment to you about oil prices and conservatives saying that Dems are preventing oil drilling. Granted. But I stated my biggest fear was a continuing addiction and dependence on the middle east, on oil, on pollution on ruining our planet. Is it the government or corporate greed and stupidity (aka Detroit) that has had us ignore the declaration back in the '70's by a former, weak president who was dead on right to say change from oil and become oil independent by 2000? (Yes, Jimmy Carter). THANK YOU FOR THIS. YOU made my day. A conservative who stands for reduced dependence on oil and protecting our planet. That's what God wants us to do: Use our God given talents (you call it technology and our brain power) to forward life. Forward it. And protect the most precious gift He gave: our planet and life on it. It is our mandate to protect this planet and life on it. :) Thanks Judge Bob. What's the new url deal about? Seems still connected to Vox?

My favourite way to put this is that we are "stewards of the Earth". Very poetic.


The new url is a site where you can select the topic of your interest and choose from available articles. Rather than have them in chronological order, they're all available all the time. Yes, it still brings you to Vox but the availablility was what I was shooting for.

One of the few conspiracies I believe in is the connection between the government's revenue and the oil companies. Last year in the first quarter, 1 oil company paid taxes to the government equivalent to 1/2 of all personal income tax. Take away oil revenues and how does the government pay for all those pork barrel projects not to mention in order of the size of each expense, Social Security, Education, military, and the myriad of agencies like Dept. of Education which yield zero to negative results.
Add in the personal connections between members of the government and big companies and you get a lovely picture of modern democracy.
Chumblor, you once asked me to quote my sources and show my examples, I'd like you to reciprocate.
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I use that term as well in other places. We are ordained to be stewards of our planet. Of the earth. And of our living creatures, of life itself.
I saw the new site. GREAT!
Dick Cheney and Halliburton, George HW Bush and the Saudis, Condolezza Rice and Chevron [and more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condolezza_Rice#Private_sector], Rumsfeld and Nixon (not a business connection, but come on), the Bush administration having the most millionaires in history, etc and so forth.
Mostly I think we have to protect the ecosystem from ourselves, since we're the only threat to it.
Oh puhleaze, that list is as tired as Bill Clinton. The ties between any and all of the administration with the oil industry were cut before any assumed office. Its the Democratic Congress under Carter that started the oil crisis and its the Democratic Congress that keeps it that way today. Back in the 70's they should have started drilling our own resources instead of leaning on the OPEC nations. Last week Congress voted to keep our oil industry from drilling for our own resources. Not the continental shelf, not in ANWAR where state residents want us to drill, and not mining the shale oil in the MIdwest. We have billions upon billions of oil reserves in our own lands and come to find out that dry wells are wet again, meaning it doesn't take a million years to regain those reserves, more like a few decades. I agree that there is something going on between government and oil industry heads, but it certainly does not lay at the feet of the Bush administration alone. Government is addicted to the oil tax revenues and free and clean energy is available for very nearly free. They can't tax water and certainly not enough to replace what they get from oil. Once the tech hits the streets, that revenue stays in our pockets and they'll have to find new ways to tax us or vastly increase income tax or start a huge sales tax.

We have a cleaner environment today than we've had in 100 years and it improves every year. If you're referring to urban sprawl, you haven't taken a flight from the coast to the Mississippi. There are thousands of linear miles with nothing but country roads if that. I've often flown between Oklahoma and California and I can vouch, there is very little between the cities and the cities are very, very lightly. East of the Mississippi they're a bit closer together but still lightly peppered over the land. There is so much wild land still in the U.S. it is unbelievable that anybody can be concerned that we are destroying the planet.
Well, I guess if they step down from that position they can never resume their interest in the company.

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